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Aug 23, 2011

Epic Family Boss Fight Walk Through

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Before we get into the details of the Family Boss Fight, lets take a look at who we are fighting. Jeff The Knife can be found on your Home Page. The first thing I noticed is that Jeff doesn't even have a knife. All he has is  a big sword.  Jeff The Sword would be a more fitting name.  What kind of name is Jeff for a Boss anyways?
Let's take a closer look at this Jeff. To get a better view, Click on "Join the fight" from the Home Page or go to the new Boss Tab which was formerly called the Operations Tab and before that the Missions Tab.
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Old
You can also join by accepting requests from your Family members.
Jeff The Knife looks like a cleaned up version of Jeff (aka Month) from Mafia Wars Live.
No matter how you get to the Boss Page, you will see that "Jeff" has a health level of 1 million and he will be around for 7 days.
As the fight progresses, you will see how many Family members have joined and get a breakdown of how many filled each position.
You will also find the main Leaderboard on this page where the top 10 contributors will be listed.
There are a few things you can do from this page before you begin. You can click on "Get More Ammo" and your mafia can send you a Boss Fight consumable item that you can use to fight Jeff. I'm sure you have seen these all over the news feeds by now. When you click on "Send Ammo", you will get one too. You can only collect 20 per day so don't get too excited and bust out your news feed scanners.
You can also check out the loot items that you and your Family will get for defeating Jeff.  You only get one item per fight and not all Family members will get the same item. It's random like Operations but if you help more than others you are suppose to have a better chance at getting a Superior item.
When you click on the yellow "Fight" button for the first time, you will have to choose a position. There are three positions and there is no need to stress out about it. Zynga makes this seem more complicated than it is. The only thing that is important is that your Family balances the number of players in each role according to the strategy you use.
Here is the in game description of each role.  There is no personal benefit to any of these positions, the only thing it does is designate who will share what boost with their Family members. This is why it's important to get a balance as you want a few players in each position active when you are fighting the Boss.
Once you select your position, you can move on. When you finally get to the Boss Fight Page, you will notice it's a little busy.  Leave it to Zynga to throw in a new feature with so many details that their players get confused not to mention overwhelmed.  This thing is a piece of work. Eike from Team Spockholm created the image below which gives a  good overview.  The one thing that is missing from this image is your own Health Meter. That is because you don't have one. These Bosses do not do any damage to you, they just take your stamina and Ammo items.  You can still fight them even you are iced.
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If you want Zynag'a explanation of the mess shown above, click on the help mark located next to the title of the Boss (yes there will be more in the future).  They do a good job of explaining how the three different meters work but fail to mention most of the other stuff.
Once you know the rules and see the flow, it's not as confusing as it appears. You must be in a Family to have this feature on your account. Your Family works together by attacking the Boss and passing out designated boosts to each other. In this Boss Fight, you have a choice of how you want to fight. You can use your stamina or you can use Boss Fight Ammo. The Ammo can be collected while doing fights, jobs and robs. You can only hold 20 of each item at one time so use them up as you get them. With a Rage Meter of zero, each item will do the following amount of damage.  It's important to note that your personal skills don't matter when fighting the Boss with Ammo. Each Ammo item has a fixed range in the amount of damage that will be done regardless of your characters strength or what destination you are in.  You gain zero experience per attack when using Ammo.

Ammo Item
Image
Drops
Damage
Backstab
Jobs
80-110
Sucker Punch
Fighting
90-110
Crowbar Swing
Robbing
70
Rifle Round
Feed Requests
100-130

If you don't want to farm for these items, you can always purchase them at the cost of 10 items for 10 Reward Points (keep dreaming Zynga). Get them directly from the Fight Page by hovering your mouse over the item and clicking on "Buy" (note this can only be done when you are at zero).
Or find them in the Marketplace under the Special Loot tab.
When used in one of the following sequences, additional damage will be applied.
When using stamina to fight, your skills matter. The stronger you are, the more damage you will do. You need to play close attention to the Fatigue Meter. Things look great at first. Each attack gains you 15 experience points and when the Fatigue Meter is below 27 (results will vary slightly between accounts) only 5 stamina is needed per attack resulting in a experience/stamina ratio of 3.0. Once the meter passes the first threshold, it will cost 15 stamina per attack and it only gets worse from there.  The experience you gain per attack never changes. If your Fatigue Meter is at 100%, you experience/stamina ratio is now 0.1! I know we asked for a faster way to utilize our stamina but this wasn't what we had in mind.
The Rage Meter will decrease the damage you do per attack. When it goes up, your damage goes down.
Here are is the break down of the Fatigue and Rage Meters. The amount of damage will be different on all accounts as it is proportional to strength.

Fatigue Meter
Damage
Rage Meter
Stamina
<250
133
0-25%
5
<500
100
25-50%
15
<750
67
50-75%
45
<1000
34
75%-99%
90
>1000
34
100%
150

To makes things easier, you can use and send boosts to your Family members. There are three different types of boosts and they are designed to lower your meters and double the damage you do during an attack. Each boost is tied to the position each Family member chooses before joining the fight.

Boost
Image  
Description
Family Postion Holder
Damage
Double the damage for one attack
Bruiser
Rage Debuff
Reduces the Rage Meter
Arsonist
Fatigue Buff
Reduces the Fatigue Meter
Racketeer

Giving and receiving these boosts is actually quite simple. We are very lucky they didn't tie it to the Free Gift system. To request boosts, simply click on the corresponding boost question mark located on top of the Boss Fight Page. There doesn't appear to be a time limit of when you can ask for more help. You just have to use all the boosts you were given.
When you click on the question mark, you will be told that you asked for the boost. Now you just have to wait until someone who is in the appropriate role sends you one.
Of course if you don't want to wait you can always buy them from the Marketplace by clicking on the Reward Point icon. I'm glad they had the decency to give you a verification popup to prevent accidental purchases.
To send boosts to your Family members, look for the "Help" icons on the score board located to the far left of the Boss Fight Page. You will only see the Help messages for the position you hold.
Clicking on "Help" will send a boost to the person who asked. You can only help if you have the boosts to send. In the example below, my position was a Racketeer and I had 5 boosts to give to my Family members.
There were plenty of people asking for them but I could only send 5.
The "Help" icon disappears as soon as you click on it and your Family member gets the boost.
Once you send off all your boosts, your balance goes to zero and a "Refill" link appears. In theory you must wait 30 minutes and they will auto-refill. Sometimes I see a timer and sometimes I don't. There are also a few issues with the timer not being accurate.
If you don't want to wait, you can always buy more from the Marketplace by clicking on the "Refill" link. Keep in mind these are what Zynga is calling "Charges" and you can't use them for your own fight. You can only send them to your Family members.
When the Rage Debuff and Fatigue Buff boosts are used, the attack will cause zero damage to the Boss. The only purpose the attack will have is to lower your Rage or Fatigue Meters. We aren't sure if this is intended or a bug but that's they way it works.
If you have boosts, they will automatically be used. It's best not to use your combos at this time because they won't apply either.
Once you figure everything out, your Family develops a system and you have the resources to fight, keep attacking the Jeff until his health gets to zero. Many noticed that once you get him below 20,000 health, the numbers do funny things and jump back up. We kept attacking through it and eventually he was taken down. If you are actively attacking when this happens, you will be told to wait while the rewards are being calculated.
If you weren't active when Jeff is killed off, you will find a collect button on the Boss Page. You will also notice that Jeff comes back contrary to what Customer Support told us.
Click on collect to get your item.
You get one loot item and it will be random.  The more you contributed, the greater your chances will be for getting a Superior item.  I don't know why it says 4 Grand Prizes on the Home Page. It's probably just the fact that there are 4 Superior (and therefore Grand) items. Is could be possible that the fight can only be done 4 times. I should have an answer to that later on today as my Family is currently working on their 4th Boss Fight.
Your loot item will be one of the following.
Name
Image
Stats
Quality
Blade’s Blade
135/96
Superior
Fencer’s Mask
94/136
Superior
Dagger Nose jet
95/132
Superior
Xiphias Gladius
133/95
Superior
Heartpiercer
84/115
Rare
Scorpio
112/82
Rare
Clocktower Jaket
114/81
Rare
Waterproof Gloves
80/111
Rare
Jawbone Helmet
112/80
Rare
Floatberry
83/112
Rare
Swiftsilver
113/82
Uncommon
Lodjur
83/110
Uncommon
Blue Racer
81/114
Uncommon
Peregrine Falcon
115/80
Uncommon
Mark 14-X
109/78
Uncommon
Grim Switchblade
80/106
Uncommon
Mini Vera
79/109
Uncommon
Simoom Breaker
80/107
Uncommon
Shutter View Goggles
106/81
Uncommon
Cheeder
80/107
Uncommon
Hummerpotamus
108/79
Uncommon
Rhinocycle
105/80
Uncommon
Gulper Eel
105/81
Uncommon
Skunk
80/110
Uncommon


I think this is a lot of work for one loot item. Eike wants to recommend to Zynga that Families also get some Family Experience for defeating the Bosses. I like that idea too. The strategy your Family chooses will depend on a lot of factors. My Family is stamina heavy so we have been using our stamina and not Ammo. The trick is to make sure we get plenty of Fatigue Buff boosts to keep our ratios high. Because of this, we will have more players choose the Racketeer position. Every Family will be different. The key is to work together.  We don't know how this fight will affect The Raven.  Many players have reported not seeing him for over a week. I know I haven't.   There are some bugs and issues with the Boss Fight and here is some commentary by Eike.


Bug #1 
The timer on the "sending" boosts is terribly wrong. It goes down from 30:00 to 0:00, then from 1:00 to 0:00 while you seem to get one each time its hits zero. In reality you only get one per 30mins.

Bug #2
If you have a Rage Debuff boost and the Rage-bar is at zero, you will attack once and then use one boost, setting the bar from  6 to 0, thus wasting a full boost. This works fine for the Fatigue Buff boosts, as they are only used when the bar is at more than 20.

Bug (may be intended) #3 
When you use a boost, you deal no damage, although it costs stamina.


Many thanks to Eike for helping me put this post together. The Spock family for sharing their insight. The {ASS} Family for helping me test things and knocking these fights out. TOKO and Mike Nestor for taking screen shots that I didn't end up needing.  And Karan for formulating a sound strategy.

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Article written by Jennifer Patterson, Creator of the MW Loot Lady Blog, The Mafia Wars Loot Lady Facebook Fan Page and Co-Host of The Informant Podcast.
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33 comments:

  1. Where do you fight, I fought in Brazil & New York, and received no consumables????

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  2. I have been fighting primarily in Vegas and consumables drop for me there. It also dropped when I fought in Italy and Brazil. Not sure about NY. The drop rate isn't as good as previous times when we fought other bosses, but they drop.

    For jobs, they've dropped for me in Brazil and NY. Haven't tried the other cities.

    For robbing, the drop rate is even lower than doing jobs and fighting. But I've expected that since I always tend to have horrible drop rates when robbing.

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  3. omg..this is too much. i paid to zynga for the game play, but with those family features i have problems regarding staying in my current fight club due not too many tagged ppl. it lookes i cld join anything else and be double tagged as i perform all the requierd tasks, but it is not really like that.
    non clan red grps is something horrible. usually some energy accounts within a grp create those red tags and everything starts at this place - those ppl now harrasing other players and perform daily considerations if their members deserve to stay on their grp... i hope you know those trories - before this was just a grp of players, but somebody registered a red tag.
    why i shall be harrased by somebody who did not pay anything... yes, i got an offer from one more grp to kick out another player and to add me. i was insulted..

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  4. I think I need a new family...I can't imagine mine completing this in 14 days, much less in less 7 or especially in less than 1.

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  5. I think Jeff looks like James Franco, when he was a little less dissolute looking.

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  6. Drops for consumables seem to be very poor. Have now spent 5k stamina and gotten just one consumable drop. I tried to collect ammunition from FB feeds, and got a message I had already collected 20 but had only collected a few. Add this on top of the family even timer fubar and Zynga is really knocking it out of the park today.

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  7. this doesnt seem worth the time and stamina at all.

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  8. More items per finished boss is a must..! It's not okay this way. It should be at least 4 per boss fight done, or the items must be made available in more ways.

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  9. Drops for consumables is AWFUL. Leveled up 5x with 14,000+ energy and not 1 single backstab? WTF 70,000 energy and nothing? where are they dropping?

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  10. Thanks for the well thought out, and informative article on this!

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  11. I got some drops on fights in Vegas. Got drops on jobs in Smuggler's Haven using double loot crewmember but they stopped so I must have maxed, seemed to be around 20-30. Haven't seen anything yet, do we know if the drops reset every 24 hours or what the deal is?

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  12. far too much messing about for me if the end prize is 1 piece of loot which would increase my equipment total by about 30.

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  13. Ok, I have to ASk, Does ANYONE, YES I MEAN ANYONE, knows what the hell happened to the Drops for consumables. They were dropping this morning and now, nothing. what are we limited to so many drops per day ???????

    Evad

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  14. Just received this information from customer service:

    Stephanie: I have one other question if you don't mind....
    Stephanie: the FAQ on the family boss fight implies that we would get to fight a boss once a week.
    Stephanie: we defeated him, but he reset and showed up again
    Stephanie: are we going to get rolled back for defeating him again?
    Crae H.: To be honest, we aren't sure.

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  15. This looks like a pretty reasonable task. If your family is active, you should be able to get through this without being FORCED to use RP, and even when you've maxxed out ammo for the day and it stops dropping you can still contribute well with normal boosted attacks and by giving boosts to others. I don't know if the rewards are worth the effort, but it's a decent attempt.

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  16. Consumable drops seemed reasonable earlier, but have not blown thru about 44k stamina in Smuggler's Haven without getting one. Do I have to use them all first? I think the limit was borken, too. At one point I had about 29 of each consumable.

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  17. Anyone else playing on a smaller then 'normal' screen size and not seeing the member list on the left side?

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  18. Epic Boss Fights Quickly Becoming An EPIC FAILURE!!. It Appears That Only Large, Super Strong Families Will Benefit Of This Disaster In The Making. Small Families May As Well Not Even Try.

    Items needed not dropping from fighting and jobs and robbing. Leader Boards are MIA. Not even going to bother til I know what's going on. Going back to my old routine and see what happens and wait this thing out.

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  19. I leveled up 6 times and used 84,600+ energy & 6390+ stamina. I received ZERO Backstabs & ZERO Sucker Punches? WTF Zynga I am not going to buy this crap with RP!

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  20. Any idea why the points for the leaderboard and the damage done do not match up its almost like u get a set amount of points for each attack regardless of damge but unsure of that. The confuseing part is that if u hover the cursor over the board a pop up says damage that matches the points, I'm confused.

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  21. We've all been Zynga'd . . . . again!

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  22. I've got 39 backstabs and sucker punches. I can provide a screen shot if you are interested.

    Here are my two cents. If Zynga introduces aspects to the game which need to be explained by going outside of the game, (why can't they provide detailed instruction like we get here?) then the feature is not worth playing.

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  23. Hey I got nothing for my Boss fight!
    I ended somewhere in the middle and got no reward!
    WTF?!

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  24. does everyone who participate in this boss fight gets a loot when boss is down or only first 10

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  25. About the points on egets/"hit":

    It seems to be that max would be ca 50 per hit, if one has almost 0 rage, double hurting and uses 5 stamina. If any of these parameters are "worse" it'll be 40, 30, 20 and if everything is at catstrophy it's only 10. So that to me seems to be the key to that.

    And what the...? That message about a rollback maybe coming? WTF..? If one invests so much it mustn't be pulled away ?! There's no way to cheat this, right? So it's super extra important there will be no rollback of any kind. Make it easier for smaller families or let them have the challenge.

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  26. So how long does this calculation of rewards takes? Waiting for a while now...

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  27. Zynga Scks. I was at the TOP of LEADERBOARD n also hit the last shot to Kill him. But I dont get superior item. :(

    So this is really annoying. ZYNGA just messing with all. Why they are launching so much things at once when they cant handle them...


    >>> GD

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  28. One suggestion I'd like to make besides allowing the bos fight to count towards the family progression "helper" progresion (which I suggested on the forums yesterday) is to have a way for family members to be able to choose different character types.

    Unfortunately, our family picked mostly bruiser. We have very few arsonists and racketeers. Would be nice if we had a way to re-distribute the character types. I'm sure Z will find this request a perfect way to sell more RP. I, of course, do not like that idea.

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  29. Does everyone in the family have to participate in order to receive the rewards or suceeding at taking down the boss?

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  30. I spent 5 rps, one and a half stamina refills and a hundred consumables. I would have done more but we were out of help for fatigue. After all that I got an item of 115 attack or defense. REALLY???? Don't waste your time people. I could have spent 200 energy and gotten a Bottle Nose Dolphin in 5 seconds. The idea is good but the application is pathetic.

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  31. Observations/questions while our family is in our 7th boss fight.

    1) It appears that consumables only drop (from jobs/fights/robbing) until a certain limit. Is it related to a certain number per day or per boss fight. I get a ton early in the day, then nothing drops.

    2) Are the superior rewards based on rank in leader board or number of damage done? I have 6/6 superior rewards - usually doing 5000-17000 damage and somewhere in the top 10. Husband has 5/6 superior and 1/6 rare and is usually a little behind me in the ranking/damage.

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  32. don't know about you all but I have gotten FOUR loot items PER fight... 1 superior (most times) and THREE rare, per fight... true, one loot item probably not worth the fuss, but four at a pop, is pretty cool, by me! Just saying... also, was wondering... to get the bike that is 200/200... do you have to own one of each of the other four top items first? noone I know seems to have the bike yet... we have as a family, beaten Jeff now six times.

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  33. Does each person fighting Jeff have their own rage meter to keep down or is the rage meter a group thing, ie if his rage is 200 then it is 200 for everyone? We are having problems where we leave his meter on or near 0 but when you visit him again acouple of hours later its 700-800+

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