Apr 11, 2011

When Bullying Goes To Far

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A few weeks ago, I made a post about a player who had a long time documented bully (1). Unfortunately, Susan had decided to stop playing Mafia Wars. She decided to come back to the game and ignore her bully.  Some feel that if you can't take a bully then you should play FarmVille instead of Mafia Wars. To some extent this is true but when bullies take their rage outside of Mafia Wars and bring it to Facebook via attacks on one's personal life and apperarence, it crosses a line. Here is an example below of a female player who has a bully that not only attacks her repeatedly but he boasts about it and taunts her. He goes so far as to call her names and even suggests she kill herself. She got over 30 messages from her bully in just one day. I covered up the bad words but left the spelling and grammar errors intact. Nobody said bullies were the sharpest tools in the shed.
March 19 at 10:32pm Report
ROFL whats wrong ginger cat got your tongue, you and your friends are OWNED so roll over play dead and put on some better eye shadow you look like a f#####g whiore
March 19 at 10:15pm Report
your friends wil pay for your ugly red hair and cheap eyeshadow
March 19 at 10:16pm Report
day in day out i will attack and never stop nothign u or anyone can do to stop me
March 19 at 10:16pm Report
WHY?
YOU ARE OWNED
March 19 at 10:11pm Report
ROFL if you onbly had a cluie thats why yoru stupid and cannot play this game and are ugly with red hair ginger
March 19 at 10:11pm Report
LMFAO
March 19 at 10:09pm Report
you will alwasy be owned and it shows your red hair your a ginger slag with no money and i am driving u insane i love it
March 19 at 10:09pm Report
the more u meeage em and pay me attention the more you are OWNED by me and its f#####g histaricle
March 19 at 10:09pm Report
OWNED ugly red hair slag
March 19 at 10:06pm Report
YOU ARE OWNED AND CANNOT PLAY
March 19 at 10:07pm Report
u are the C##T why u have no career and have to work at some sports store
March 19 at 10:07pm Report
for hourly wage ROFL
March 19 at 10:05pm Report
your the stupid one that cannot play all you do is loot for others, u dont bother me one biut your just mad cuz your owned by mE and you know it u ugly c##t
March 19 at 10:02pm Report
watch this im killing all your friends in war and they will never play wither
March 19 at 9:57pm Report
ha ha u cannto play I OWN YOU FAT SLUT C##T B###H no money u got read heair your ugly and i will never ever stop attacking u and i know your mad cuz u keep sening me messages i love it
March 19 at 9:57pm Report
yeah off your traiilor fat ass red head
March 19 at 9:58pm Report
your so ugly with red hair
bark like a dog b####h YOU ARE OWNED
March 19 at 9:47pm Report
I am going to attack you forever ~
March 19 at 8:51am Report
you will never be able to heal, we will ne there to keel u every time, have a sheety day ugly red head slag
March 19 at 1:46am Report
ROFL say waht you want, you cannot play and I can, you have no money, I do, your ugly im not, you have red hair like a whore, i dont
March 19 at 1:44am Report
NOT FOR ME, I OWN YOU
March 19 at 1:44am Report
your beneath me slag read head ginger street walker with cheap eye shadow
March 19 at 1:39am Report
yes i suggested that you kill yourself since your therapy with your doctor is not going so good, free country u ugly red head , my opinion u should not be taking up wasted space ont his planet
March 19 at 1:37am Report
and your BF has to wake up to your ugly arsh, hes like damn, they rolled your face in dough to make gorilla buscuits
March 19 at 1:37am Report
MINE WILL NEVER GET CLOSED I BET YOU MY 1.2 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE IN BEVERLY HILLS YOU UGLY SLAG
March 19 at 1:38am Report
u need a payday loan still till your 300 a week paycheck is clears your non balanced checking account
March 19 at 1:35am Report
yep thats me i win y ou lose, your ugly and have red hair like a street hooker
March 19 at 1:35am Report
u will never play this game close your account ugly read head
March 19 at 1:32am Report
HE HE YOU CANT PLAY
YOU CANT PLAY
March 19 at 1:32am Report
EVER HA HA HA HA
March 19 at 1:31am Report
nope your still a ugly red head with no money go work at mcdonald they prob pay you to take out the trash, oh wait you cant fit in trash can your fat and ugly
March 19 at 1:32am Report
u got iced
you got iced
March 19 at 1:29am Report
u know u should just kill yourself your therapy is going no where
I attacked the person and he is a Platinum and very strong player. I won't post his link as it's been reported to Zynga and Facebook and hopefully something will be done about the constant abuse.

In November of last year, Zynga tried to come up with a solution to end excessive repeated attacks by the same individual via the Witness Protection Program. The restrictions of this thing were ridiculous and the requirement of having to be attacked 300 times by the same person in a 10 minute time frame were just as bad. Zynga had the right idea to do something but what they implemented didn't work.

Since then a Rivals tab was added to the fightlist and has been viewed by many as Zynga condoning abusive  behavior. We can now add up to ten Mafia Wars profiles to our fightlist for easier access. I don't think Zynga did this with the intention to make abusive behavior easier but that's essentially what it does. The clans love this feature when it works properly as it has improved warring. This is Mafia Wars so expect to be attacked repeatedly if you happen to be alive. You can't blame players for bookmarking the players they can beat. It becomes abusive when on sits on a player with a automated tool so that as soon as they regenerate their health above 20, they are iced and unable to attack players themselves.
If you find that you have a bully and they have taken it outside Mafia Wars and personally attack you, this is what Facebook says you should do (1).
Zynga has a challenge to come up with a reasonable solution to this problem. Anything set up in game to block attackers would mess with the balance of the clans. A player from clan A could just block players from clan B that were stronger and wars would no longer be fair. Zynga has asked the PAC to define what they think bullying is so it's a sign that they are looking into the issue of bullying. Please comment with your ideas or suggestions. Don't waste your time commenting that players who are bullied to the point that they can no longer play the game are just whining. To many out there it goes way beyond that.


Article written by Jennifer Patterson, Creator of the MW Loot Lady Blog, The Mafia Wars Loot Lady Facebook Fan Page and Co-Host of The Informant Podcast.
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71 comments:

  1. I couldn't agree more. This has to stop one way or another. There is a way that this could be done, with Zynga's help and support from the gaming community bullying will become a thing of the past.

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  2. That was just excessive. What exactly has Zynga done so far with this bully? He should be banned from Zynga and FB. In the real world his IP address would have been traced and passed to government regulatory authorities and constituted as threats and harassment.

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  3. What an ass. Maybe the bully should take his own advice and end his own life.

    Unfortunately, he's a high level platinum player, so he probably bribed Zynga to do his bidding :(

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  4. maybe zynga could set a limit on attacks by the same person in a 24 hour period? I know this wouldn't help if family all attacked too but bullies should not be able to stop people from playing

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  5. Vla Unvoidid Zheng WenZhongApril 11, 2011 at 2:10 AM

    I cant understand, why 'sorry' not stopping a bully???

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  6. I dont understand this crap... why the hell are there the blocking and reporting? Just block the dumbass and deal with it? Is easy, block - report spam - report offender and its done. If it comes with another account, block that one to, how many accounts he can make?... It is so easy to get rid of the stupid ones... And on top of that, why so offended in the first place... Is a nobody who doesn't know her, God knows from what part of the world, why not just ignore him?

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  7. noto bullies...ban him...ban all bullies...

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  8. This person is a child, or at least has the maturity level of a child. This is what happens when the dork in school gets a hold of their parents credit card. He's trying to make up for years of wedgies and getting slammed into lockers by harassing people on facebook. I pity his existence.

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    1. My exact words that is so true most of these idiots bully people because in real life they themselves get bullied and have no life most likely!!

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  9. Hey, this is just a game and communities are a great place for such problems. Please post his link, I would love to have him on my Rival-List. He obviously paid money and therefore values his account which makes him a loveable enemy. This is the raw material on which Clans and long lasting rivalry is born.

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  10. Wouldn't it be great if Facebook had a tool to BLOCK people?

    Oh wait, it DOES...

    As Charlie Sheen would say:
    Duh! #STUPIDITY

    PS: http://www.farmville.com/

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  11. Totally agree re, being a child with the parents credit card. People like deserve to be banned via their commputer id number, stops them getting back with a different name ( at least on that pc anyway ).
    I had experience of this a couple of years ago, player kept attacking a mafia friend, she called for back up so we all attacked, as you do. The guy then started I.M ing everyone and basically being a child about it.
    Anyone who gets bullied this much should report, then just lie low in the game, the bully will soon go away if ignored, and if she has enough friends, no matter what level they are, just ask them to attack him back, he may be platinum lvl, but at some point he will lose.

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  12. Q: Since the "bully" in question is a CC player (which is a + for zynga,) would they really ban him/her?

    No chance in hell! I've seen platinum players w/ 201k worth of item def. No way zyn-goons would bite the hands that feed 'em!

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  13. newbee question...if you block someone( not a friend) on FB, can he still attack me on mafia wars?

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  14. ^
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    He can still attack you in mafia wars but he won't be able to post msgs on your wall.

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  15. Look. When some one calls you on the telephone, and harasses you, you can block them. When they stand on your front porch, and harasses you, you can have them arrested. But when they make unwanted contact, harassing contact through Facebook. And continues to make contact through a game. No one seems to be able to do anything.

    Attacks in the game is not the issue. The issue is using the game to continue to make unwanted contact.

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  16. I am not the victim here, but I know the background. The intention of bringing this to the attention of PAC and maybe have a post on Jens blog about it was NOT to start another bully hunt but to come up with ideas to make this game a fair and enjoyable game for everyone. There won't be any links of any of his accounts (he calls them 'friends', the above being the weakest of them)on this blog.

    To those that keep directing to Farmville and come up with "This is Mafia Wars blahblah": Yes, it is Mafia Wars. I don't have a problem with being hit multiple times and I'm getting my butt served pretty often myself. This is part of the regular game: You hit, you win/loose and move on. Your opponent might get back, ice you and move on. THAT is my understanding of the game. Mocks or clan wars are something different, but they aren't the topic here. For me, bullying starts when the hitter gets back, day in day out, threatens you, threatens your family, especially your TOP Mafia, continously declares war on you, hitlists you, and keeps attacking you. You call your mafia for help and eventually there are a few that can beat him, he returns with his clan, brings in his fight club and the story goes on. While I am convinced that the majority of players know the word fair play (and how to spell it :D ), there is a small group of players that feels they are entitled to show Zynga how much they shit on their TOS. The number is growing, because Zynga simply looks away. It is up to Zynga to show them they are not. Works in other, similar games, so why not with Zynga?

    Btw: Thanks alot, Jen, for bringing this up here. Unfortunatly the Zynga Forums are not the place to discuss such things anymore :( I know, this is not a forum but a blog, yet I think it catches the most attention here.

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  17. they should make something like the mobwars app has . a blacklist which a person can be put with a amount of godfather points and they can not attack back as long as the person is in blacklist.

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  18. Zynga should never have allowed this to go on. They should have immediately and permanently banned him.

    What I want to know is why she responds to him at all? It just makes things worse because he likes it.

    "and i know your mad cuz u keep sening me messages i love it"

    If it were me, I would block him from FB. If the attacks continue I would join fighting and bullying clans and let them handle it. If the attacks still continue I would open a new account and ask Zynga to transfer all of my weapons and stats. Or maybe someone with a higher level duplicate account would give theirs to her.

    There are things that can be done, it all depends on the amount of work she wants to put into it.

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  19. Sounds like he is jealous of her red hair hahahahaha.
    I know who he is. He hasn't got much hair!

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  20. On Witness Protection Programme, what i was told by the zynga agent is - 300hits in 2 minutes, not 10minutes.

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  21. there needs to be a block feature its that simple it would end them from contacting you threw the game!!!

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  22. Block him in FB and suck it up. The guy is loving all this attention he is getting. I have seen a website where this guys link has been posted and that only makes it worse for her.

    There is always 2 sides to the story. What has she done to bring this bully down on her? I am sure she isn't innocent and has done something to bring this on herself.
    Don't heal for a few days stay under 20 and just rob to use your stamina, or quit and go play farmville.

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  23. well i hate to say this but telling someone to suck it up is not right this is not the only bully that is out there and its not what a victim did its what the bully does is the issue it has nothing to do with be attacked in a game its about the contact and bully's don`t go away just because u keep low get the facts first before you defend a bully period !!!!

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  24. and my advice to Susan is don`t quit the game theres alot of people working on getting a solution to these bully's which i see happening real soon there days are numbered and to the bully who likes to write ur little messages you may also be subject to jail time for what you think is fun and stalking charges can be filed as well because thats what your doing!!!!

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  25. I've encountered players like that.:(

    Witness protection with out the restrictions to being able to play the game could work. That's the point, to be able to play your game. At least you can rob and do jobs without healing, so your better off just taking the beating.

    If Zynga had coders that knew what they were doing, or cared enough to do it right, it seems like they could make it to where if you are in Witness Protection against someone with a tag, attacking anyone with that tag would cause your cover to be "blown". You would be opened back up to attacks and couldn't go back under witness protection against that person for 24 hours or more. That should help with clan wars if it could be done. But it's Zynga we are talking about. Anything they do it bound to be disastrous one way or the other. :P

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  26. Yes, it is just a game, and yes, responding to him only made him want to taunt her more.. Bully's are everywhere in the world.. It sucks..

    I feel bad for her.. I think his childish way of attacking her personal appearance, job, partner and his suggesting she kill herself in real life,is way over the top.. Those are things the average person thinks in their heads, but doesnt say outloud.. He needs a filter for his actions..

    I dont see Zynga banning someone who pays real out of pocket cash.. That pays for all the free game play the rest of us get..

    I dont have a solution for the bulling. But, I can say that I have used the 'block' feature on facebook and its wonderful.. Just remember to remove from your mafia those who are not friends.. Zynga installed that little feature and its just as helpful..

    And of coarse Join a clan, and get pimped out.. and remember when you reach level 500+ you will be killed alot and all the time.. Just dont taunt others out of the game.. There's no need to be so childish and rude..

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  27. I would go to his account and get his name and see if he has a city listed for where he lives and check the public records for light or water bills find his address and file with the state police where he lives because his harassment constitutes a crime at the point he makes it personal and when she has confirmation on them having made contact with him I would file suit against him for mental anguish and see if he continues to have a 1.5 million home.

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  28. Donna your exactly right !!!!

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  29. Jennifer, I am sorry- I thought you knew. I was deciding to leave this game- I took a week to sit back and really think- I have decided to remain in this game that I have played since Fall 2008.
    The reason I am staying is- I now accept this acct will always be there- NO ONE can stop him- NO ONE cares- (FB - ZYNGA)
    Yes, the abuse is high- But, I have come to the conclusion- that leaving this game- my friends- would amount to a HIGHER LOSS.
    For me, I am 55yrs old- retired and have M.S. This game allows me fun- it is mentally stimulating- as well as frustrating. But, it is free and provides for me an escape from real life problems.
    I think in the long run- Abuse will remain within the game- as I have mentioned before- The premise of this game attracts many diff type of people.
    For some- it is mere fun- For others- it is a way to abuse-
    Nice, person to spouse and kids- THEN, logs on to cyber and becomes a serial abuser- NO ONE KNOWS_ BUT HE-
    Basically, it is a legal way of torture
    Susan Wells

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  30. I used to moderate on a community web site of over 2 million. There are so many people like this in the world. One guy I banned was a lawyer of all things... There are nuts like this from all walks of life, a seemingly long endless string of them that get thier jollies doing things like this. You can't ban an IP as so many are shared these days. And 1.2 mil in beverly hills? that's a 1 bedroom home anyplace else right? crazies like this are unfortunatly a part of life.

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  31. Zynga seems to have no issue putting limits on everything else we do in MW - sending gifts, receiving gifts, collecting off links posted on family members' walls... Seems like it should be easy enough for them to put a limit on the number of attacks you can make on another person....

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  32. this is straight from zynga : Q: I've been attacked 25/50/100/500/etc times! I've been iced/killed 5/10/50/etc times! What can I do? What can Customer Support do?

    A: There are no rules or restrictions to the number of times players can attack each other per hour, day, or week. If your defense strength and health are relatively hi...gh compared to an attacker's attack strength, health, and stamina, the attacker might have to attack you many times in order to ice you. There are also no limits as to the numbers of times players can ice/kill each other per hour, day, or week. Customer Support agents in chat are not authorized to act on any accounts reported.See More

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  33. HDont have a Google or anyother sort of a/c other than FB! So had to post as Anonymous, well this is Izzy Roberts

    Now Bullying is a very large problem that must be addressed. There are several Groups and Clans that will help with this sort of problem with the continual attacks etc.

    However the type that demand High End Loot or Gift cards to stop, well that is plain and simple BLACKMAIL - This is Illegal and should be dealt with through the Law Enforcement policies of the country that the afflicted reside in.

    FB Should make available to those that request the copies of Messages posts etc that relate to the problem and it should then be dealt with through the courts - oh and no Community Sentances please CHAIN GANG!

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  34. GET THE GD FACTS BEFORE YOU ACCUSE ANYONE SHE HAS LEFT OUT ALL HER BANTER

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  35. WILL POST ALL HER COMMENTS AND FOUL LANGUAGE

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  36. Yes I have seen the banter between them and it is very one sided. I have the entire conversation. I also saw where she made a fake profile of him stating he was a homosexual using his name and hometown. Please get the facts from both sides. Her comments to him were just as horrible if not worse because they impact his home, his job, not to mention family and friends. I am a long time player feel free to inbox me if you want to see the proof.
    Donna Gibson, Pain's Poosayfier.

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  37. The facts don't need to be all there to get the concept. As long as I didn't post the said bullies information there is nothing wrong with demonstrating what is happening to a lot of players. The idea of this post was for people to think of possible solutions to solve this on going problem. Post away but that's not the point. I would use foul language as well if somebody said those things about me. I'm accusing bully behavior and hope to find a solution to the players who can't play or quit because they are sat on 24/7.

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  38. And that warrants messages like this?

    Bill Johnson
    Perhaps you should read this And Back Off of Ann with your Abusive attacks and constant Bullying of her Your case is becoming very well known to the MW community and Now to me I am a PAC (Player Advisory Committee) Member as you can see by my Pic Badge As a PAC member I have Contacts with all of the Big Wigs at Zynga From the President of Zynga to the Head of Security AKA Dark Knight Trust me you Don't want Dark Knight Looking into your account or actions. You Have spent a Lot of Money on your account to gain Platinum Status and if the Bullying continues Your account will be shut down ,Banned as well as your IP address Blocked so none of your accounts will be worth anything because they would all be blocked or Banned from the Game.Take a Minute to read this and think about What I tell you it will be in your best interest to Stop. And If Ann continues to be attacked By you Or if you Pass her Link Along to get others to attack her relentlessly You will be removed from the Game For life this Issue is also being looked into By a Friend of Mine In the FBI And several other Law enforcement agencies Its a Game and you are making it personal with the constant attacks and all of the FB Messages and verbal abuse

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  39. My reply was deleted. I removed my link maybe it will stay this time. He is a great player and helps many new players in the game. He was antagonized by her. She made the first contact with vulgar name calling. Nothing will be done to him because HE IS THE VICTIM. I have seen the banter between them. I have the entire conversation. She posted his information and threatened to contact his clients. She made a fake profile of him stating he was a homosexual using his name and hometown. Please get the facts from both sides. Her comments to him were just as horrible if not worse because they impact his home, his job, not to mention family and friends. She needs to quit the game and is using this as another form of manipulation.

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  40. is there any international law against cyberbullying???

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  41. keeling/icing you by higher level repeatedly with no reason is a form of bullying already...

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  42. she is the same level LMAO

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  43. Wasn't there a Federal Law passed a few years ago in the US after a successful myspace prosecution ?

    I seem to remember the law was something like "with intent to force, intimidate, harass, abuse or cause emotional distress or harm", it was fairly broad and wide reaching. I can't find the actual wording :(

    In the UK, once its established abuse, and charges are made, the police contact the person and tell them if they continue, they maybe breaking the law and will be investigated. I don't recalled any case-law on the matter but I don't keep up with it.

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  44. Looks like she has done a fair amount of bullying herself. Threating to have this person banned from MWs because she is a member of PAC and has connections.

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  45. Well, Julian (I guess I cann call you by the name, as you did not bother to leave Anns name out of this, hu?). Yes, she is the same level, but she did not invest money, so she certainly is much weaker than you are. Same goes for her Top Mafia, you harrassed and threatened them, so they defriened her. Those that did not were basically going through the same than Ann. And talking about level: you don't have any hesitation to do the very same with people as low as level 8, so don't even try to get there.
    If you come across one stronger than you are or not bending to your wish, you immediatly run for Donna, your *coughs* girlfriend, as she is the stronger of the both accounts, right? Or you post on the *fookershitlist" on your clan wall, to ask your family to take care of them. We meanwhile have found a lot of other victims wnd while I am not one of your victims, I have followed this story from the beginning. While you can't even get the spelling of Trailer Park Community College right and keep sitting on people because they shop at K-Mart, you forget one thing: Intelligence is nothing money can buy. You also seem to forget where you came from, it's a long way you went until you arrived in Beverly Hills and I guess it involved a lot of stop overs in K-Mart while you were going to average public schools and Colleges. And you are not even smart enough to erase the traces you left all over the internet ... What did Jen say? Bullies aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. She's right!

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  46. There are 2 sides to a story. I am wondering why she let him send her messages up till 30 times a day. 2 can play the game and the taunting, bad language etc may not be just on 1 side. It's human nature to retaliate to bad language but to let it go on just makes the situation worse.
    I attacked a player once for 20x while i was still in Bkk trying to get Baht and he send me a msg detailing my crimes (ugh..) then 6 of his friends attacked me for the next 3 days. They did not sit on me, they attacked until i am iced then left and did not come back. I did not retaliate bcos 3 lost so i got the xps and the other 3 were just doing what any friend would do in MW, follow a friend blindly whatever (;D), which is what i always do anyway when someone in my mafia post a bounty. Anyway, since that incident i have blocked non-friends from sending me msgs in FB to prevent any aggravation from this sort of thing.

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  47. Trust me, he was blocked once it was clear there is no way he will stop that. The above messages were sent within less than 24 hours. Her only fatal error was that she declared war on him for a mission. Not more, not less and if THAT is not part of the game, then I don't know what else is.
    BTW: she is not the only one who received such messages, her Top Mafia was threatened to either defriend her or face endless attacks until they quit playing. The language was pretty much the same. He also uses his clans wall as well as another one to insult his opponents. Seems there is zero way to have a friendly fire with this guy, he mixes up real life and game pretty much.
    Blocking non-friends isn't an option for many. Starts with sending a message asking to add you for MW and ends with negotiations of whatever sort. Plus - this does not stop bullying. It may avoice the messages as such, but they will continue to sit on you, so this is only a halfhearted solution.

    The intention to bring this up with PAC was not to start another bully hunt but to gather some ideas how this can be avoiced or what actions Zynga should take. His message whenever people told him they will report him was clear: I paid thousands of dollars, Zynga will listen to me, I practically OWN them. Zynga indeed is very cautious here, not realizing that the more they look away, the more paying customers will adapt this behaviour. Other game providers have strict rules on how violation of their TOS is being dealt with, no matter if and how much you paid for playing. With sticking to these, they set a clear signal and this is most appreciated by the community. It's time for Zynga to state an example here. else the number of bullies will be growing rapidly.
    I would think that a warning on the first violation should be enough. Second violation and you're banned temporarly (1 month), third violation and you're banned forever. Not to hard to fulfill and Zynga can easily verify ether or not the reports coming in are true or if someone just wants to take a personal revenge here. Yet, this requires manpower and this might be the problem ... Another problem is the way to define where simple gameplay ends and bullying starts. Being at war, 300 attacks are nothing. And the higher you rise in levels and health, the more attacks you get in. I do get my butt served regularly with 100 or more attacks, on the other hand, I might attack 100 times or more if I need an ice or go for revenge. For others, this might be bullying already, for me it is still normal gameplay. Bullying for me starts if this is going on for several hours or even days/weeks.

    Just pops my mind to stop that useless hitlisting feature ... which usually is the start of some pingpong some might call bullying.

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  48. remove automated specific attacking (autokill) for third-party apps/bookmarklets. let suspected bullies make manual effort. by doing that we can help zynga for sure. the rest is up to them :)

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  49. With reference to comments by the bully.
    that's harassment, and stalking.
    by commenting on her work place, thats a line that should not be crossed, once it goes into the real life, inform the authorities, if this person has that much intent, its no longer a virtual problem.
    I wouldn't like to see a headline, "virtual gamer targets in real world"

    there is little point in gangs or clans ganging up on this bully, he will only hide and reappear. its their jolly in life.

    for Zynga, I was in a position like that for over a week, almost gave the game up. I think there is a certain mentality of players on MW, you don't get this in other Zynga games. There should be a cool off zone, where you can not be attacked for a week, and or you cannot attack either, something like MWlootlady has on one of her accounts, and somehow all bookmarks are removed.
    you can bookmark an users a/c details and then you can constantly attack them, so the problem is outside the remit of Zynga, and lies jointly between Z and Fb. With the Fb account number, then the only way if both Z and Fb can have a policy where you can have your id changed.

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  50. i live chated with zenga and asked for a option to block certain players from iceing more then 3 times a day , i also asked them to enhance wars as they are no longer based on skill and tyhey should have 20 or more people in a war to attack not just the top mafia

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  51. Why dont his link go around and have everyone in the world of MW who subscribes to loot lady spockholm etc etc etc just sit on his ass over and over win or lose even if you lose you do damage he can only fight one at a time and only if has health whos got time to battle the world ? ..... Thunder Crew

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  52. When I tried to preview/post a comment it came up with a red rectangle with curved ends! What does this mean?

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  53. I think a good solution to the bullying problem is for Zynga to put them permanently on the fight pages of people who can ice/snuff them. Also, if Zynga offered a higher level of xp every time s/one fought them, robbed them, declared war on them or hitlisted them-say from 2x to 10x, by placing a "B" next to their id on the fight page, next to their properties on the robbing page, the war page & the hitlist page then people would know that! When the bully has cash in hand in a city/country Zynga could put that city's/country's currency by the id of the bully to let others know. How about Zynga making bullies pay by awarding all of the cash in hand of them to the 1st person that attacks them when they have some?

    Do I see any lols coming?

    Also, Zynga could prevent them from getting any xp or cash from attacking any of their victims. They could prevent their fight stats from improving when attacking their victims and also prevent their victims fight stats from getting worse from the bullies attacks! They could also do these things to the mafia of the bullies!

    Kirk out!

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  54. allow name changes that will remove you from their rival list and will change your profile link so they cant find you.

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    1. PERFECT.... this is what is needed. If you ban someone in FB they can't see you at all it's as if you've vanished. But a person can get your MW profile and watch if you're online and in the game. Zynga should also have a ban list... remove from rival list and can't see the person's profile. PERIOD!

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  55. I know who this is, I was level 9 when I saw his link on a friend's wall, as a joke I declared war on him. He continued for days to hitlist me (I mean, I was just level 9 at the time sheesh) and he robbed all my properties rotten. I contacted Zynga and complained with screen caps. The responded 5 days later to "hear my story" - I never bothered to respond. Obviously they didn't give a shyte about my complaint because this guy and his bird are spending good money with them. And I'm just a newbie, so who cares about me.

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  56. This is a classic. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=21mcghw&s=7

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  57. Is that Julian the bully? haha what a fake.

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  58. I noticed that pic and couldn't help noticing the different fonts (being a graphic artist myself) and had to show just what an absolute idiot he really is. PS he is a graphic artist too, or so his profile says.

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  59. I'm the person those messages at the beginning of the post were sent to.

    No need for me to mention their name because he is the current topic.

    All I did was hit his mini and he started pounded me repeatedly. When I hit listed him back that is when the messages started.

    Sent several reports to Facebook about those messages but I'm still hoping for a good email address to report to get something done.

    I'm so glad to see people trying to do something about this.

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  60. Well, his real attack skills are somewhere close to 20 k. Still not bad, I have zero idea why he needs to add another 105 k to that, looks as if he suffers from a distinctive inferiority complex.

    From what I understand, he stopped hitting at least one of Anns Mafia. He also ceased fire on Ann, but now his Clan is all over her. All cc players. If Zynga is not taking care of this problem, it will be growing rapidly.

    I just had another idea on how to treat bullies: Invert and modify the WPP a bit. Instead of blocking the victim from being attacked and not being able to do anything using stamina, how about blocking the bully from using stamina, without blocking him from being attacked? 24 hours for the first violation should be enough to give him a taste of his own crap. 1 week for the second one :D Also, persons identified as bully by Zynga, should be marked accordingly on the fight list for a limited time. Just to make sure nobody is missing out on the fun of showing some love ...

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  61. Anything done within the confines of the game environment is not bullying. Someone repeatedly icing or hitlisting you every time you heal? Either get stronger to repel their attacks or hide under 20. Leave your properties burned after they are robbed. Do not retaliate - this will get very boring for them pretty quickly.

    This is a fighting game, ergo, people will fight you. Some of them will be much better at it than you. Deal with it.

    Some people - like this so called 'bully' - will get a thrill out of knowing they have hit your buttons, but they can only know this if you respond to them in some way (in game or out). Just like trolls, if you don't feed them, they will eventually go away.

    Anything that is taken outside of the game environment is a clear breach of ToS and is easy to deal with - block them and report to FB.

    My issue with PAC and other trying to define what constitutes bullying and how to prevent it is that wherever you place the line in the sand, there will always be someone just this side of it who feels aggrieved. So what do you do then? Move the line a little more? Then the next person in line also feels aggrieved etc etc. The logical end point being that we will end up not being able to cause any damage to anyone's health or rob anyone's properties - because we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

    I'm sure someone will pipe up that bullys stop you from playing the game - well no they don't/cant' although they can impact on how you play. There are many aspects of the game that can be played while below 20 health, and in the vast majority of cases, hiding for less than one day will do the trick. There will of course be other cases that take longer, and could even run into weeks - although if the attacker isn't gaining anything (loot, money, retaliation) then it is very unlikely that this would be the case.

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  62. All of the people advocating that bullies get sat on by the community - ermmm, hypocritical much?

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  63. I see one half of a conversation here... been around too long to buy that garbage. Post the entire exchange and supporting documents or it NEVER HAPPENED.

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  64. I agree Angelo but I only got one half. This was more of an example which is why I didn't use names or identify the parties involved so the conversation could be anything. I was just trying to show that this is a problem when one player goes to another players Facebook inbox and call them hurtful names. It very well could go both ways in which case neither party is in the right.

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  65. BTW- a 1.2 million house in Beverley Hills is nothing...that is what a maid's quarters cost out here! He is a dude looking for attention and obviously is getting it in the game because he can't get it in Real Life. So sad!

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  66. There is a high level group clan they are threatening me in my game play, harassing me and hounding me in my game play and in e-mails on facebook, they have gang robbed me, putting me in wars every moment they can and since the 3 times a day i get like this now daily attacking me like crazy my health is never on 20 long i tried to ingore them but i couldnt move or gain anything, I have reported them so so many times but nothing as i can see they still attack since 5 Months now clans name is ISU and 313 they work together http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/profile.php?id=%7B%22user%22%3A%22cHw3MDU1NjQxNA%3D%3D%22%7D they are all jerks!!

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  67. LMFAO, I AM A BULLY SUE ME

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  68. Reporting to FB is a joke!! I recently reported a woman for threatening me with bodily harm, bring men to my house to hurt me, bringing a gun, etc etc etc....FB DID NOTHING!!!!!!

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